Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.And, let me remind you also, that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue. - Barry Goldwater
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Wednesday, July 14, 2010

"TEAR IT DOWN AND START OVER" - AMERICAN CONSTITUIONAL CONVENTION 2014

 
"Tear it down and start over" has been a figurative phrase I've used for a few years now, since about the middle of the last Bush administration. I mentioned it to the leaders of our church recently when we gathered for breakfast to discuss church business.

"Tear it down and start over" implies that the current government no longer abides by nor recognizes its charter, the Constitution of the United States of America. In fact, with the exception of the Reagan and Ford admnistrations, EVERY presidential administration since (and including) Woodrow Wilson has committed specific violations AGAINST the Constitution, most of them in full knowledge of the violations.

To be sure, Lincoln himself violated the Constitution also, as did some other presidents prior to and following him. But the 20th and 21st centuries have been marred by a painful consistency in the antagonism of the executive branch's submission to the ultimate law of the land.

Individuals no longer fulfill nor recognize their responsibilities as citizens (in large part because those repsonsibilities were spiritual expressions first, and then translated to political expressions . . . but that's a discussion for another day). Each day, we slip one measure closer to balkanization, anarchy or worse.

In an effort to forstall this tragedy, it is my belief that a reformed United States under a new-but similiar constitution be discussed beginning in the year 2014. A constitutional convention, under the current model, would allow us to maintain continuity between the Founding Father's ideals and the challenges we have created for ourselves.

There are certainly dangers present in such a proposition. If we enter these discussions as idealogues rather than as Americans intent upon saving something great and wonderful, then we expose ourselves to the collapse of the nation anyway. If one group attempts to dominate - or another group fails to stand for its principles - then we will have as weak or a weaker charter than the one which we are attempting to improve. These dangers, however, are not greater than the danger of not trying. We may end up having a splintered, factionalized group of nations occupying the North American continent. But if we fail to save this nation because we imagined nothing was broken, then that future will be far worse than if we try together and fail.

A wise man has suggested to me that the dangers of a constitutional convention are too great. Like many, he has seen the potential for disaster if the circumstances I have described above (and worse, perhaps) arise during such an effort. One of the fundamental problems with such a position, however, is that it is based in fear. To be sure, it is not an unreasonable fear - but it is a fear nonetheless.

Evil thrives in an atmosphere of fear. Our Founder's knew this. They fought against fear most of their lives, and against an enemy that utilized fear as a weapon. We cannot - MUST not - allow our fear of outcomes or failures to paralyze us from trying to save something glorious, nor from trying to build something even more grand than this nation. Because something like that does exist. It is called the Kingdom of Heaven. And the United States of America has been the greatest tool so far for bringing the conditions of that Empire to earth. It is time to take the next step in our growth and toward that Kingdom.

Theodore Roosevelt, ironically a president who himself violated the Constitution on an occasion or two, recognized that windows for opportunity do not last forever. While his actions may not have always been pure nor right, Teddy recognized that acting when there was an opportunity was absolutely crucial to a successful life and a successful nation.

"In a time of action," he once said, "the best thing to do is the right thing. The next best thing to do is the wrong thing. The worst thing to do is nothing."
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While I understand the intent, I disagree.  Our Constitution is fine the way it is.  The problem is, enforcing it.  When a president violates it, he must be held accountable.  But how?  As citizens, we currently do not have the power to remove criminal politicians other than voting them out.  In the current case, we cannot rely on Congress to impeach.  These individuals are, after all, sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution.  Maybe we just need an amendment to recall corrupt national politicians.  New Jersey is already in the works to recall Senator Menendez.  Maybe the courts will decide we have the power to recall them all the way up to the president!?
Posted 7/14/2010 7:57 PM by grim_truth - recommend - reply

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"Our Constitution is fine the way it is. The problem is, enforcing it."


I will submit that this statement is both a priori and a posteriori evidence of my position's validity.

Posted 7/15/2010 1:15 AM by SwordAndSacrifice Xanga True Member - recommend - reply

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I would hold that unless you can come up with a group of people like the Founders, your attempt to fix things with a Constitutional Convention would result in a disaster that would accelerate the end, not stop it. My guess is that it would throw out the old and replace it with a liberal re-writing of it with the perverted interpretations of the original codified.

I guess the question is, can the country be saved? I belief is that it cannot. The Constitution is to most Americans like the Ten Commandment are to most Christians. They prattle on about the importance of it when in actuality, most of them have no damned idea what it says or attempt to actually live it. If ignorance is bliss, these people don't have to wait for the next life for paradise, they are already in their own little heaven.

Considering the possible options, I'd say doing nothing would be the best choice in this case. Not surprising, considering how wrong TR was in many of his other beliefs.
Posted 7/15/2010 8:38 AM by DeadPatriotSociety - recommend - reply

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@DeadPatriotSociety - How do you feel about Dante Aligheri, then?


"The hottest places in Hell are saved for those who did not act in times of moral crisis?"

Posted 7/15/2010 9:21 AM by SwordAndSacrifice Xanga True Member - recommend - reply

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Even Carter AND Reagan had plenty of "unconstitutional" plans.

http://911review.org/Wiki/FemaTheSecretGovernment.shtml
Posted 7/15/2010 10:33 AM by alampi Xanga True Member - recommend - reply

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@alampi - Plans and actual actions are not synonymous.

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@SwordAndSacrifice - 

Agreed. But even the "consideration" is scary to me. Reagan did grant amnesty to almost 3 million "illegal", law breaking aliens which I'd deem pretty unconstitutional. At the time of Reagan's presidency, I almost felt the man could do no wrong. But if I take my emotions out of it and look at it from historical, factual eyes, he did nothing to stem the tide of unconstitutional government and even increased it in areas. I'll grant it's nothing like the current regime is doing...
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@alampi - The cited example is acknowledged as accurate, as is the comparative qualifier.


I also have left out that it is not merely the executive branch that has been violate of the Consititution these many years. The legislative and judicial branches have also equally or even more egregiously exceeded their powers.

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@SwordAndSacrifice - 

Well, I try not to base decisions on quotes from dead Italians and bad presidents.
Posted 7/17/2010 12:29 AM by DeadPatriotSociety - recommend - reply

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@DeadPatriotSociety - How about Spanish-American philosophers?


"Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it." - George Santayana

Posted 7/17/2010 8:04 PM by SwordAndSacrifice Xanga True Member - recommend - reply

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@grim_truth - "Our Constitution is fine the way it is. The problem is, enforcing it. When a president violates it, he must be held accountable. But how? "


That's what the Supreme Court is for.

Posted 11/14/2011 2:00 PM by Celestial_Teapot - recommend - reply

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@SwordAndSacrifice - There is a perfectly good democratic mechanism for overhauling the Constitution: The amendments process.
Posted 11/14/2011 2:02 PM by Celestial_Teapot - recommend - reply

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Great display pic!
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Occupy Wall Street has made this a mute point. It's started and has a life of it's own now. Let's just be in on where it goes.
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As long as there are politics, there will be politicians. I don't see anyway to avoid our elected officials taking things under the table or making themselves exempt from some insider trading information on occasion, except a dictator. The president should not appoint supreme court justices if they have the power to look the other way when he violates the constitution. You really can't enforce that they all follow the constitution no matter what you do. You could cut congress salaries but you'd get even more unethical people to take their place. Our government is a reflection of it's people. Until we get a more responsible society where education is a priority, I don't see anyway out of this mess, permanently.
Posted 11/14/2011 2:43 PM by TheBlogFather - recommend - reply


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