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Monday, August 03, 2009

CIVIC DIASTROPHISM

 

An interesting discussion took place this morning on MSNBC's Morning Meeting with Dylan Ratigan.

The conversation took place between Ratigan, Nassim Taleb, Reza Aslan and Jonathan Capehart. The only recording of the conversation I could find is more of the preface to my takeaway item rather than the takeaway item itself.

Aslan and Capehart talk about the difficulties that the Iranian government is facing and how the United States government is planning on dealing with Iran.

To save yourself time, I recommend just going to the 4:20 mark of the video and watching the last minute of the video. Taleb begins an exchange between he and Ratigan about the nature of government change.

I have written before on the nature of revolutions and the varying elements that lead up to them. But today's discussion started me thinking about the similarities between the geological phenomena of tectonics and how it has a very real parallel in the governments of men.

The pressures that lead to revolutions are very real, just like the subsurface geological pressures that ultimately cause surface changes on the face of the earth. Yet, also like their geological counterparts, these pressures can lead to both immediate catatclysmic changes or gradual, long-developing landscapes.

The recent experiences of the nation of Honduras are only a latest example of how political pressures that build for years can be released by a single event to dramatically alter the geopolitical appearance of a region. It can, however, be stated that the Honduran government's inherent stabilizer - its constitution - acted as both a buffer and a catalyst for the changes that took place there.

The situation in Iran can also be said to have been building for quite some time, at least since the Islamic fundamentalist revolution of 1979. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's current crisis is part and parcel of that revolution's failures and his own coalition's heavy-handedness threatens to drive his nuclear-driven government to collapse. The safety of constitutional protection in Iran is trumped by the dominance of a Muslim theocratic oligarchy.

Whereas economists have for years applied the concept of chaos theory to classical economic models, there is little thought given to diastrophism (tectonics) in either economics or politics. In truth, however, an understanding of civic diastrophism could hold potential for understanding the substrata influences that direct the rises and falls of governments just as the understanding of plate tectonics increases our understanding of the changes we see on land masses.

© Copyright 2009, Rob Purdie

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Tomorrow, the MAG will be online!!! You're on page SIX.
Posted 8/3/2009 3:26 PM by clintspirations Xanga True Member Xanga Premium Member - reply

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I'm fairly certain our government is stockpiling tinder - the future awaits a spark.
Posted 8/3/2009 4:17 PM by JJ_Ames Xanga True Member - reply

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Pressure is building...
Posted 8/3/2009 7:28 PM by firetyger Xanga True Member Xanga Premium Member - reply

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Haha I did a google search of diatrophism and your entry here on Xanga was about 6th down from the top!

I find this a very interesting analysis because the classic model of "revolution" required a central figure like Lenin, Mao and Robespierre ie the charasmatic leader - the American revolution is unique in that it claimed a set of political ideals rather than an individual.

The Czech Velvet revolution in 1989, and the Chinese Tiananmen Square 1989 very brief confrontation seem to represent a "tipping point" for the social order. Of course both were quickly crushed!

Great post; this topic needs some more exploration.
Posted 8/3/2009 8:03 PM by valis10 - reply

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The sad truth is that it is rare that a revolution ends in a result those launching it intended.  The American Revolution is the rare one that actually ended with the intended outcome of those who launched it and didn't conclude with the losing side being massacred by the winners.


I'd also have to say I'd disagree with the analysis of the Iranian revolution.  Khomeini believed the concept of the guardianship of the clerical authority included theocratic political rule.  The system that is in place in Iran is exactly as he intended it to be, so I'm not so sure the Islamic revolution there could be considered a failure.

Posted 8/4/2009 11:56 PM by Dead_Lands - reply

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Study Alinskyism and Cloward-Piven and you will see crafted strategies designed to change both the surface and the subsurface pressure with the final intent on being collapse due to said.


In speaking with a older friend about my surprise at the lack of resistance to the tide of power shifting to the government he pointed out that look at just beheath the surface the rise of such things as MMA, King of the Hill etc and he said you will see the rage just under the surface is brewing.


In Iran the one thing the US has been consistant about is misjudging the geopolitical situation. It is interesting to watch but I doubt without external pressure you will see a major change, except perhaps in time. Te President is still the number 2 guy and until that changes, much remains the same. I mean at times I look at our model in action today and think what government wants our model ?

Posted 8/7/2009 7:44 AM by ProvokingThought Xanga True Member Xanga Lifetime Member - reply


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