What most people don't get is that Islam does include politics.

We had our mid summer get together for our Bible study group last night.  The next study that we are doing is called The Invisible War.  We meet the 2nd. and 4th.fridays of the month, the new study is resuming on Sept. 11th.  We all found that interesting. 

I've had a someone close to me tell me "Muslims are just like Christians, they want people to convert to their religion."  I told him that Christians are not going to kill you if you don't.  That pretty much ended that conversation but that mindset (liberal)  is there.  I don't now how to change it.  I try little by little, anything more than that leads to a heated argument (not on my side, I would love to talk about it all) and is counter productive.

Great video, I hope America doesn't end up as far into it as Europe before liberals start catching on.

@Dead_Lands - Indeed, my friend . . . indeed.

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@Direshark - You're the person Condell is talking to.

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@Direshark - Relax, junior. And stop hallucinating. No one called you any names that you didn't heap onto your own conscience.

"I think it is like any other religion."

That statement alone shows your ignorance of Islamic history (and possibly comparative religious history). Islam is NOT like any other religion. It was a political movement that morphed into a religion. Christianity, by comparision, was a religious movement that repudiated political authority, both internal and external.

And, to further shine some light for you, Christ himself said that "not one jot nor tittle" - meaning not a period nor comma - of the Torah would pass away under Him. So the Law, or Torah, is still fully functional under Christianity. It is just no longer what Christians are judged by.

And as has been repeatedly stated for sake of comparison, most German citizens under the late-1930s Nazi regime were fine people. They simply did nothing when their nation was hijacked by hate-filled fascists. It is up to Muslims to do more than "see eye-to-eye on most cultural values." They need to start condemning the ones that their Middle Eastern counterparts advocate which are antithetical to freedom that they enjoy here in the West.

Or they can leave.

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@Direshark - ". . . but I have most commonly heard the following argument: . . . "

None of those arguments are presented here now, nor were they. Such statements were presumed.

"The origins of organized Judaism seemed to have political background - specifically, the 10 commandments and the organization of those tribes."

Judaisim's origns, specifically with Abraham being called out of Ur, are completely non-political. They are personal. The Hebrews were in Egypt prior to Moses and were identified by tribe long before Sinai. Moses had nothing to do with the tribalization of the children of Israel.

"But the God of the Torah is not kind, forgiving, or anything else."

This reveals an inherent anti-Judeo-Christian prejudice. Your references are selective - which is probably a hallmark of those unpresented arguments to which you object. For every citation you make regarding the vengance of the God of Israel, there can be found a passage showing His grace and mercy.

"I have to reference the fact that the Q'oran has clear strictures that forbid any kind of suicide."

There are, in fact, elements of Qu'ran which prohibit the slaughter of innocents. But Islam's inherent evil is not tied to those elements. Rather, as I indicated previously, it is a political philosophy that was bastardized into a theology. Taking the things of man and elevating them to a thing of God is a recipe for disaster. My understanding of Hindu theology is that its origins were also personal. This is confirmed in the Rig Veda. And while I believe that non-Godly spiritual elements were responsible for influencing the elements of the rigs, there is little argument from a literary perspective that they were personal and not political.

As an ancillary note, Judaism and Hinduism are considered to have been foundational contemporaries. It cannot be stated that either preceded the other.

All this said, there is a clear moral and philosophical superiority to Judeo-Christian theology that has placed it in an adversarial relationship with Islam since the inception of that "religion". Not Hinduism, not Buddhism, not Confucianism nor Taoism . . . none have the depth of animosity for Judeo-Christian culture that is inherent in Islam. This truth exists because one of the world's religions is not spiritual nor personal, but a man-made code forced into the frame of a god. That religion is Islam - and Islam alone.

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